Posts by Dizzy Cat

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DFing, its affect on JWs

by joelbear in

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we've talked a lot here about how dfing affects those that are disfellowshipped.. after reading the info from the august km, i got to thinking about how shunning affects the shunners.. i think that the suppression of love that shunning requires kills a little bit of their soul every time they do it.. joel

Dizzy Cat

I think it depends on who is doing the shunning. I know of brothers who will still smile or acknowledge ex-members, but not go into a full length hello and hows life without your brothers style chat. Which I think is fair enough to be honest. But to completely turn your face away, literally. and look down your nose is childish and lacks dignity.

I have a theory as well, that if you are born into the truth and the society, then you are more likely to jump in front of a passing car than greet an ex-member. Due to a lack of fellow feeling for somebody who may be depressed and certainly in need of friendship.

Whereas, if you have delved into the excrement of secular society (at least thats how I see the world most of the time) and come out the other side, after experiences that enable empathy, then you are more likely to display a charitable attitude to whoever it may be passing your way.

The GOOD SAMARITAN is a fine example of extending yourself beyond your belief system... surely? Maybe the snobs within the JW society should have a closer look at that scripture.

Hmmmm .......

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JW response to BBC program online

by freeborg in

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below are a couple of coments from the bbc web page, youwill notice the typical jw response.

many more listed use the link below .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_855000/855727.stm.

Dizzy Cat

The Panorama programme was interesting and insightful, but I would have liked it to go further myself (maybe another hour). It would have been good for the team to focus more upon the mind-set that leads to this stubborn and hard-line attitude, that prevents positive action taking place to help resolve these horrible crimes.

The way the programme came across was upon reflection biased towards sensationalism, that will lead in many cases to a profound knee-jerk response from the mindless.

Would it not be sad, if your average JW, had to face a barrage of insults due to a report through the media that seemed to suggest that every JW was a stubborn, paedophile protecting looney !?! When quite clearly this is not the case.

I know when I was *in the truth*, I would have followed the company line and adhered to the rules laid out by the elders and GB, and I'm pretty sure that most ex-JWs would have done the same. looking back again, I can see how my mind worked at that time and can appreciate the steel box that one is bound by, so as not to have free thought in matters of moral law.

My sadness lies with the victims of these terrible crimes and my anger lies with certain elders and members higher up, who should have known better. These possible paedophiles should have been handed over to secular authority in the first instance. Elders & the GB for the most part (I would assume) have no formal training to deal with these highly manipulative individuals. They need to come under pressure and intense scrutiny to unearth the truth.

To cast the whole of the JW standards and philosophy into a pit of excrement straight away is foolish though, based upon one programme (which I know some people will do). I am grateful looking back, that enforced Bible standards helped me kick a drug habbit amongst other things out of my life and for that part of my existance, I have the WTS to thank (I can hear memebers of this board cursing my name ) .... .. .

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Why do you believe???

by truthseeker1 in

i have a question for everybody.

it has probably been asked before, but i'll ask it again in case anyone changed their minds.... why do/don't you believe in god/god.

what give you faith in things not beheld/makes you not believe?.

Dizzy Cat

Thats a hard question, obviously, and very searching .

Hmmm ... 60% of the time I believe in the existance of GOD. Albeit my GOD is not exactly the GOD that I thought it was originally. It has transformed from an all caring/sharing entity, to one that I see as being an emotionless state, that dictates in higher mathematic formula, that somehow weaves curious physical forms out of pure energy (don't ask - I can't even understand my mind most of the time).

I believe that we as humans carry a distinct and clear spiritual essense to oursleves, that allows us great insight into the world around us and within limits we are allowed to extend a unique creative ability.

Now ... 40% of the time, I think, phuk that and leg it! I run screaming from any belief in a GOD and hide under a rock.

I think I need tablets - STRONG ONES !!!

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Hardline on disfellowshipped ones

by eyeslice in

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once again a hard line is being taken on shunning disfellowshipped and disassociated ones.

perhaps this is some sort of backlash against the recent adverse dateline publicity in the us, the forthcoming pananorama programme in the uk and problems with a number of influential ones leaving the organization.

the text below is from the august km insert and the meeting part is to be handled by a "well qualified" elder with the paragraphs being read by a "capable reader".

Dizzy Cat

Ahhh - but if you blow up the WT headquarters, would that not be another sign of the end? You know ..... the world finally turns against the TRUTH !!!!

Gibber .... I'm starting to quake and dribble slightly :oP

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Curious demon inspired tale :o)

by Dizzy Cat in

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i suppose this is a tale of how badly a set of extreme beliefs can effect the mind!.

i knew of a brother who suffered with mental ill health and often had hallucinations, of the visual variety.

after a while during his passage through the truth he began to see strange demons in unusual places.

Dizzy Cat

I tell you without a doubt, these tales are true ..... I know the power of the mind and how it can twist reality !

I actually attended one of the congregations for a while where one of these events occured. I have worse tales to tell !

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Curious demon inspired tale :o)

by Dizzy Cat in

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i suppose this is a tale of how badly a set of extreme beliefs can effect the mind!.

i knew of a brother who suffered with mental ill health and often had hallucinations, of the visual variety.

after a while during his passage through the truth he began to see strange demons in unusual places.

Dizzy Cat

superb ;o)

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Curious demon inspired tale :o)

by Dizzy Cat in

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i suppose this is a tale of how badly a set of extreme beliefs can effect the mind!.

i knew of a brother who suffered with mental ill health and often had hallucinations, of the visual variety.

after a while during his passage through the truth he began to see strange demons in unusual places.

Dizzy Cat

To further the twisted tales a little more .....

Another brother I knew of (a few years back) actually went into the Sadam Hussain Mosque (Birmingham, England) and defiled the Holy carpet (by treading on it while wearing his shoes), plus he then took their Holy book and flung it the floor, proclaiming that judgement was upon them. Then to cap it all he tore down a curtain and then legged it!

Another true tale of curious flipped JW behaviour.

Needless to say, he was chased by several Muslim men down the road and had to seek shelter in a friends house. The elders at that time had a bit of a problem calming down the local Muslim community

I found this rather amusing at the time and wished I had the balls to be so extreme and really shake some foundations !

Its an easy way to die ..... if a slightly painful way.

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Curious demon inspired tale :o)

by Dizzy Cat in

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i suppose this is a tale of how badly a set of extreme beliefs can effect the mind!.

i knew of a brother who suffered with mental ill health and often had hallucinations, of the visual variety.

after a while during his passage through the truth he began to see strange demons in unusual places.

Dizzy Cat

I used to eat strange fungus that made me feel that way, you strange, strange beast

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Curious demon inspired tale :o)

by Dizzy Cat in

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i suppose this is a tale of how badly a set of extreme beliefs can effect the mind!.

i knew of a brother who suffered with mental ill health and often had hallucinations, of the visual variety.

after a while during his passage through the truth he began to see strange demons in unusual places.

Dizzy Cat

I suppose this is a tale of how badly a set of extreme beliefs can effect the mind!

I knew of a brother who suffered with mental ill health and often had hallucinations, of the visual variety. After a while during his passage through the truth he began to see strange demons in unusual places. Whilst practising a talk one of the day, he calmly put his book down and moved towards an open window. He then picked a very large pair of scissors out of a drawer and snipped a line running from outside the window which lead to a pole in the middle of his garden. He then calmly walked back to where he was formerly standing and continued his talk (without mentioning the snip!).

Later the same day he told us that while talking he had noticed a gremlin-style demon sitting on the line, sneering through the glass and had snipped the line so it couldn't sit there.

Scary but true !

This same brother later in the year ended up in a police cell after banging on a church door early in the morning, telling Babylon to come on out and face the Christ. Yes, his mind now led him to believe that he was the second coming.

After suffering from mental ill health myself for a number of years, I can understand how extreme belief systems can push you in this direction. Frightening, if slightly amusing from the outside .....

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Who is doing the Judging in the JW's

by libra_spirit in

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this is one of the things that strikes me as a blatant contridiction in jw doctrine.

it never ceases to amaze me how easily it is overlooked by jw's.. a quote from the elders manual under "the.

law of the christ".

Dizzy Cat

I suppose the argument would be that:

"All scripture is inspired by Jehovah and therefore we draw upon his wisdom to find truth in any judicial matter, whether that truth be channeled through Christ or whoever"

But in reality, I think it is a personality game.

I know of a brother who has been "in and out" for years and has struggled with drug abuse, amongst other things. Finally he landed on his feet at one congregation when the elders there allowed him to continue smoking cannabis, as it was part of his illness! That illness being depression, that lead him to smoke weed (great excuse). On one condition, that he seek council and strive to overcome the habbit. Very tolerant and certainly what he wanted to hear :o)

Now, in the congregation I used to belong to years ago, I think I would have been grabbed by the scruff of the neck and booted out the door if I had even suggested that I smoked a ciger.

I think quite often, that elders do not have correct information and training at hand to even have an opinion in some areas, as the blatant ignorance is apparent when touching on certain issues.

For any organisation to remain intact and fair to all members - ongoing training should be a key part to the infrastructure. I think this is lacking in many cases. Drawing upon old copies of the Watch Tower or Awake is simply not good enough, when there are no crystal clear guidelines in many unusual cases. There is also a tendency to view outside information (ie. non-GB) as weird science or Voodoo! Where is the harm in exploring other avenues of thought? If your faith is strong and you are level headed - none at all! To see the whole world as tainted by Satan is a mistake.... surely?